Comments for Lesley's E-learning and Digital Cultures Blog http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf Part of the MSc in E-learning at the University of Edinburgh Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:27:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Lesley’s Lifestream by Sian http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/lesleys-lifestream/comment-page-1/#comment-29 Sian Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:27:35 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/?page_id=3#comment-29 OK Lesley, don't worry about this! Sian OK Lesley, don’t worry about this! Sian

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Comment on Lesley’s Lifestream by lesley http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/lesleys-lifestream/comment-page-1/#comment-28 lesley Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:10:53 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/?page_id=3#comment-28 Sian please note i have tried several times to edit and make private some of my delicious entrie which are for work purposes but some of them are just not going away so, can oyu please note this. thanks , lesley Sian please note i have tried several times to edit and make private some of my delicious entrie which are for work purposes but some of them are just not going away so, can oyu please note this. thanks , lesley

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Comment on A wee bit about me. by lesleyf http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/about/comment-page-1/#comment-27 lesleyf Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:01:41 +0000 #comment-27 ok just testing if my new pic magically appears ok just testing if my new pic magically appears

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Comment on An Insurmountable Irony? by lesley http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/30/an-insurmountable-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-21 lesley Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:32:12 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/?p=125#comment-21 Yes, my thoughts exactly I was hoping you might detect the note of cynicism and irony in my short post. Oh and good word! am gonna use that one. I feel that Hine and some of the other writers create their own rules and definitions by which to analyze concepts and terms creating a self fulfilling prophecy really. For example, Hine talks about ethnographic study as being a " naturalistic project of documenting....... which is a reality external to the researcher" OK this sounds fairly logical, although am not really sure what he means by external to the researcher but because surely everything we do is an external act unless we only participate in the act of thinking about something. It seems to be this external activity which is causing the crisis of representation that is causing concern amongst theorists. BUt if we examine the argument so far, yes it seems to be a valid one as the conclusion follows from the premises, however it's not the validity of the argument but rather it's truth and sensibleness( not really a word I know) So, it seems to me the question really is; is it a true conclusion. My answer has to be no, I don’t feel that by stating that external practices are fuelled by subjectivity and concluding from this that it is this subjectivity which is causing a crisis within scholarly study means that it is necessarily true. Furthermore as result of this crisis it is thought that there should be an abandonment of ethnography altogether but rather we should explore the possibility of an “ethnogarhy of ethnography”(Van Maaen 1995)and explore the “..possibilities for creative and strategic application of methods….” Now, if that’s not subjectivity at its best I don’t know what is! Back to where we started?? From this argument it seems that our intentions should be to objectify a practice which is predominantly subjective by redefining and re fashioning a methodology which will not take account of elements of society and culture it is meant to uncover. Why don't we just give it(ethnographic study) another name - this would be simpler. We could on the other hand engage an ethnobot :)) Yes, my thoughts exactly I was hoping you might detect the note of cynicism and irony in my short post.

Oh and good word! am gonna use that one.

I feel that Hine and some of the other writers create their own rules and definitions by which to analyze concepts and terms creating a self fulfilling prophecy really. For example, Hine talks about ethnographic study as being a ” naturalistic project of documenting……. which is a reality external to the researcher” OK this sounds fairly logical, although am not really sure what he means by external to the researcher but because surely everything we do is an external act unless we only participate in the act of thinking about something.

It seems to be this external activity which is causing the crisis of representation that is causing concern amongst theorists. BUt if we examine the argument so far, yes it seems to be a valid one as the conclusion follows from the premises, however it’s not the validity of the argument but rather it’s truth and sensibleness( not really a word I know) So, it seems to me the question really is; is it a true conclusion.

My answer has to be no, I don’t feel that by stating that external practices are fuelled by subjectivity and concluding from this that it is this subjectivity which is causing a crisis within scholarly study means that it is necessarily true.

Furthermore as result of this crisis it is thought that there should be an abandonment of ethnography altogether but rather we should explore the possibility of an “ethnogarhy of ethnography”(Van Maaen 1995)and explore the “..possibilities for creative and strategic application of methods….” Now, if that’s not subjectivity at its best I don’t know what is! Back to where we started??

From this argument it seems that our intentions should be to objectify a practice which is predominantly subjective by redefining and re fashioning a methodology which will not take account of elements of society and culture it is meant to uncover. Why don’t we just give it(ethnographic study) another name – this would be simpler. We could on the other hand engage an ethnobot :) )

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Comment on An Insurmountable Irony? by sian http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/30/an-insurmountable-irony/comment-page-1/#comment-20 sian Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:12:57 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/?p=125#comment-20 A kind of 'ethnobot' Lesley? : ) Seriously though, the subjective analytic response of the researcher is surely the source of the richness of this method, not an indicator of its lack of validity? A kind of ‘ethnobot’ Lesley? : )

Seriously though, the subjective analytic response of the researcher is surely the source of the richness of this method, not an indicator of its lack of validity?

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Comment on my visual artefact by lesleyf http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/comment-page-1/#comment-19 lesleyf Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:00:51 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/#comment-19 I like this interpretation Sibylle I think you must be a romantic? yes I suppose the eye is a machine and it takes in more digital information than analogue these days and my intention ws to represent this idea but also to draw attention to the idea that we should be learnign to see and not merely look when contemplating visual artefacts. I like this interpretation Sibylle I think you must be a romantic? yes I suppose the eye is a machine and it takes in more digital information than analogue these days and my intention ws to represent this idea but also to draw attention to the idea that we should be learnign to see and not merely look when contemplating visual artefacts.

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Comment on my visual artefact by lesleyf http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/comment-page-1/#comment-18 lesleyf Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:56:56 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/#comment-18 mmm jen a whole different angle I hadn't even thought about.the code was meant to illustrate how the eye processes increasingly more digital information than analogue these days. but in addition to this I wanted to deonstrate that there was just one entry point which seemed significant in view of our discussions about multiple entry points and the significance of this whne discussing transliteracies etc. simplicity and complexity and how one can create the other. I also wanted to highlight the need to learn how to see and not merely look at visual artefacts so that we can establish intended meaning. mmm jen a whole different angle I hadn’t even thought about.the code was meant to illustrate how the eye processes increasingly more digital information than analogue these days. but in addition to this I wanted to deonstrate that there was just one entry point which seemed significant in view of our discussions about multiple entry points and the significance of this whne discussing transliteracies etc. simplicity and complexity and how one can create the other. I also wanted to highlight the need to learn how to see and not merely look at visual artefacts so that we can establish intended meaning.

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Comment on my visual artefact by lesleyf http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/comment-page-1/#comment-17 lesleyf Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:47:22 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/#comment-17 Spot on Nicola, as I explained below to Sian the binary was used to show the different types of information being processed and that a larger part of it is now digital. when I looked back at the artefact after I posted it did look a bit sinister- not intentional but intersting to hear different points of view about intended meaning vs interpreted meaning - if you know what I mean. Spot on Nicola, as I explained below to Sian the binary was used to show the different types of information being processed and that a larger part of it is now digital. when I looked back at the artefact after I posted it did look a bit sinister- not intentional but intersting to hear different points of view about intended meaning vs interpreted meaning – if you know what I mean.

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Comment on my visual artefact by lesleyf http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/comment-page-1/#comment-16 lesleyf Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:42:13 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/#comment-16 I'm not really sure if I managed to convey what I had intended. but then the whole idea of creating a visual artefact I suppose was to leave out descriptions in the hope you can manage to convey intended message using visuals alone. My idea was really quite simple - Sinlge entry point (lens of the eye)that processes, increasingly more digital information than analogue. As there was lots of discussion about multiple entry points and I just wanted to represent the dichotomy. Also the use of binary was meant to illustrate that from simplicity comes complexity by way of multimedia rich visual artefacts. Also I wanted to highlight how w3e must learn to see and not merely look at complex images and visual artefacts. and that it can indeed be more difficult to establish authors intended meaning. hope this makes sense I’m not really sure if I managed to convey what I had intended. but then the whole idea of creating a visual artefact I suppose was to leave out descriptions in the hope you can manage to convey intended message using visuals alone.
My idea was really quite simple – Sinlge entry point (lens of the eye)that processes, increasingly more digital information than analogue. As there was lots of discussion about multiple entry points and I just wanted to represent the dichotomy.
Also the use of binary was meant to illustrate that from simplicity comes complexity by way of multimedia rich visual artefacts.
Also I wanted to highlight how w3e must learn to see and not merely look at complex images and visual artefacts. and that it can indeed be more difficult to establish authors intended meaning.
hope this makes sense

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Comment on my visual artefact by sibyller http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/comment-page-1/#comment-15 sibyller Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:25:15 +0000 http://digitalculture-ed.net/lesleyf/2009/10/18/my-visual-artefact/#comment-15 Or it could be complementary the human eye (stylised and looking a bit like a flower) as well as the machine? Or it could be complementary the human eye (stylised and looking a bit like a flower) as well as the machine?

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