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	<title>Comments on: Haraway seeds (yes she does)</title>
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		<title>By: E-learning &#38; Digital Cultures &#187; Block 3: week-by-week summary (retrospective)</title>
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		<dc:creator>E-learning &#38; Digital Cultures &#187; Block 3: week-by-week summary (retrospective)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] position on the posthuman (I am drawn to Muri). However, Shields turns me on to Haraway and, having read Haraway I&#8217;m totally blown away. I still feel unsure where this block is taking me conceptually. Where does Haraway fit for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] position on the posthuman (I am drawn to Muri). However, Shields turns me on to Haraway and, having read Haraway I&#8217;m totally blown away. I still feel unsure where this block is taking me conceptually. Where does Haraway fit for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had read this earlier, no wait I wish you had written it earlier, lol. Fantastic interpretation, in my reading I found the whole thing a bit too metaphorical to be useful - but maybe the distance was responsible for that attitude, 1985 is so long ago in terms of digital culture.  I appreciated the ideas and ideals but felt almost sad, like we had already missed our chance at this particular utopia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had read this earlier, no wait I wish you had written it earlier, lol. Fantastic interpretation, in my reading I found the whole thing a bit too metaphorical to be useful &#8211; but maybe the distance was responsible for that attitude, 1985 is so long ago in terms of digital culture.  I appreciated the ideas and ideals but felt almost sad, like we had already missed our chance at this particular utopia.</p>
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		<title>By: andym</title>
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		<dc:creator>andym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, I find your take on Haraway refreshing. &quot;I’m going to go out on a limb here and say I really loved Haraway’s Cyborg  Manifesto.&quot; Wow.

For me, it was one of the heaviest texts I&#039;ve read in a while. But Judy Davidson commented on her post that it&#039;s not so much the text itself, its more what you do with it. So between you, you&#039;ve helped me see more of the political irony behind Haraway&#039;s metaphor of the cyborg.

With regards the evolution of a new working class - a homebased workforce - am I becoming feminized. Due to a change of job, I am now home based. The time previously spent commuting has more or less been replaced by domestic chores, since I&#039;m not the partner going out to work. My work peers - if I can call them that - now see me purley in terms of what materials I produce. This fits in with Haraway -

&quot;Work is being redefined as both literally female and feminized, whether performed by men or women. To be feminized means to be made extremely vulnerable; able to be disassembled, reassembled, exploited as a reserve labour force; seen less as workeds than as servers; subjected to time arrangements on and off the paid job that make a mockery of a limited working day; leading an existence that always borders on being obscene, out of place and reducible to sex. (46)&quot;

In my opinion, if more people are to take advantage of technological communication to work from home, I think this is more likely to erode the traditional, domestic divisions of labour. Either we all become more feminized, or gender roles become less significant.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, I find your take on Haraway refreshing. &#8220;I’m going to go out on a limb here and say I really loved Haraway’s Cyborg  Manifesto.&#8221; Wow.</p>
<p>For me, it was one of the heaviest texts I&#8217;ve read in a while. But Judy Davidson commented on her post that it&#8217;s not so much the text itself, its more what you do with it. So between you, you&#8217;ve helped me see more of the political irony behind Haraway&#8217;s metaphor of the cyborg.</p>
<p>With regards the evolution of a new working class &#8211; a homebased workforce &#8211; am I becoming feminized. Due to a change of job, I am now home based. The time previously spent commuting has more or less been replaced by domestic chores, since I&#8217;m not the partner going out to work. My work peers &#8211; if I can call them that &#8211; now see me purley in terms of what materials I produce. This fits in with Haraway -</p>
<p>&#8220;Work is being redefined as both literally female and feminized, whether performed by men or women. To be feminized means to be made extremely vulnerable; able to be disassembled, reassembled, exploited as a reserve labour force; seen less as workeds than as servers; subjected to time arrangements on and off the paid job that make a mockery of a limited working day; leading an existence that always borders on being obscene, out of place and reducible to sex. (46)&#8221;</p>
<p>In my opinion, if more people are to take advantage of technological communication to work from home, I think this is more likely to erode the traditional, domestic divisions of labour. Either we all become more feminized, or gender roles become less significant.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Tony McNeill</title>
		<link>http://digitalculture-ed.net/tonym/2009/11/20/haraway-seeds-yes-she-does/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-86&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sian&lt;/a&gt;
Thanks Sian - it&#039;s nice to be back in the fray after a 10-day absence. Need to dredge my memory bank but lots of differences between them and, from what I remember of The Laugh of the Medusa, Cixous is critical of the way in which biology is used to define, police and silence (there&#039;s an odd line about &quot;our beautiful mouths gagged with pollen&quot;).</description>
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Thanks Sian &#8211; it&#8217;s nice to be back in the fray after a 10-day absence. Need to dredge my memory bank but lots of differences between them and, from what I remember of The Laugh of the Medusa, Cixous is critical of the way in which biology is used to define, police and silence (there&#8217;s an odd line about &#8220;our beautiful mouths gagged with pollen&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Sian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great blog posting Tony and a lucid and really helpful commentary on Haraway - particularly the connections with contemporary political preoccupations. You make me want to go back to the &#039;new French feminisms&#039; and think again about the way Cixous, Irigaray et al wrote the body - it always seemed to me quite determinist and in that sense almost counter to Haraway&#039;s boundary transgressing stance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog posting Tony and a lucid and really helpful commentary on Haraway &#8211; particularly the connections with contemporary political preoccupations. You make me want to go back to the &#8216;new French feminisms&#8217; and think again about the way Cixous, Irigaray et al wrote the body &#8211; it always seemed to me quite determinist and in that sense almost counter to Haraway&#8217;s boundary transgressing stance!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony McNeill</title>
		<link>http://digitalculture-ed.net/tonym/2009/11/20/haraway-seeds-yes-she-does/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony McNeill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Judy, thanks for the comments - hope you&#039;re enjoying your travels around this VLE-free module. Yes, pre-WWW - I hadn&#039;t actually made that connection at all. My memory must be going - I find it hard to remember a time before iPods!  It makes Haraway&#039;s talk of affinity groups and networks all the more prescient. Best, Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Judy, thanks for the comments &#8211; hope you&#8217;re enjoying your travels around this VLE-free module. Yes, pre-WWW &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t actually made that connection at all. My memory must be going &#8211; I find it hard to remember a time before iPods!  It makes Haraway&#8217;s talk of affinity groups and networks all the more prescient. Best, Tony</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony:  Hi, I&#039;m Silvana&#039;s friend Judy--I&#039;m finding my way around your course materials.  I enjoyed your musings on Haraway.  They resonated with my thoughts about her.  An 80&#039;s manifesto, but strange to read now and think that she was pre--www.  Good wishes.  Judy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony:  Hi, I&#8217;m Silvana&#8217;s friend Judy&#8211;I&#8217;m finding my way around your course materials.  I enjoyed your musings on Haraway.  They resonated with my thoughts about her.  An 80&#8217;s manifesto, but strange to read now and think that she was pre&#8211;www.  Good wishes.  Judy</p>
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